20:34 IanDo you guys think there's a bubble? An AI bubble. You think it'll pop?
20:41 Justinright now, locally, there's a bubble, but on the long-term, mid-term time horizon, we're very, very early.
20:41 JustinY Combinator used to give people 100, 200K and take 7.5% of their company.
20:41 JustinI now see companies raising $100 million seed rounds, pre-product, pre-revenue, with just a team. That is indicative of a bubble, at least in private markets.
20:41 Justinwhat is it, $2, $3 trillion IPO by Anthropic... there's never been an IPO that big in the history of the world.
22:28 JustinSo I think we're in a bubble, but that doesn't mean it's fugazi. It's like the dot-com era: you had Pets.com or whoever IPO-ing, and they weren't making money.
22:28 JustinValuations were simply overinflated in the late 90s, early 2000s, and I think we're seeing that again here.
25:00 JustinModerna came out with a vaccine for, I believe it was melanoma, that is personalized treatment, so it caters specifically to you as an individual. It just went through Phase 3 trials, which is a huge win, and their stock, I think, doubled today.
25:00 JustinSo, is there a financial bubble in private markets, with valuations being way too frothy? Absolutely. But is there real value creation happening? Absolutely.
25:00 Justinthat's a real business providing a lot of the infrastructure and cloud services for these AI training models.
23:33 IanI'm kind of hoping that there is a bubble, and it bursts, and people kind of lose interest, because then guys like us get a longer runway to build awesome things.